Category talk:Books

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"The" in book titles and indexing

About article headings and book names: I think we should do them in the library way (hey I work in one!). It means that The Golden Fool would be "Golden Fool, the", putting the article to be seen in the end, but allowing you to alphabetise (is that a word?) the book into the G instead of T. If you alphabetise (in Finnish aakkostat) books with the article in the beginning, T would be a one too large category. Hope you understand what I'm saying here?

You're absolutely right. I'll go and change them on the trilogy pages and make redirects. Thanks for your input. :) --Mervi 16:11, 26 April 2006 (EEST)
Doing this is possible by writing [[Category:Books|Golden Fool, the]] instead of [[Category:Books]]. This helps keeping the correct title without making a redirection. This makes the wiki more useable, I think. Frór 13:37, 29 October 2006 (EET)
Testing this now with the Inheritance (anthology), thanks for the tip! :) -- Mervi 08:03, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

One category/ manycategories

Should we have subcategories for the different trilogies and series? --Mervi 18:19, 28 April 2006 (EEST)

I just realized that "books" is not going to be a good/decrptive name for this category if we continue as we have started (we add to it short stories and the anthologies and magazines they were published in). Any suggestions? --Mervi 20:02, 5 June 2007 (EEST)

Works? Sini
Yeah, or I was thinking about "writings", or better yet, "publications". I guess it would be too complicated to make subcategories like magazines, anthologies etc? --Mervi 01:22, 16 June 2007 (EEST)

How about if we divide this to subcategories, for example:

  • top-level (can't decide on the name...)
    • books (anything between two covers, whether it's by Hobb or not)
    • stories (individual tales)
    • writings (articles, essays etc by Hobb)

I don't know it this sounds too complicated... it would mean that certain articles now labeled only as books would be included in at least two subcategories. For example:

  • Fair Folk, the -> books
  • Grace Notes -> stories
  • Fool's Errand -> books and stories

--Mervi 10:52, 29 February 2008 (EET)


So it's only been like 9 years and I'm getting serious about renaming this category. ;) Right now it works as a "catch-all" which is fine but the name just isn't very descriptive and I think more subcategories are needed. Here are some of my thoughts on this:

The current subcategories are

  • Robin Hobb
  • Megan Lindholm

These are only used on titles that are 100% RH or ML, so not anthologies etc.

Categories I've been planning on adding under the works/writings/publications main category (but have postponed doing so in order to avoid extra work after the name change) are

  • Anthologies
  • Magazines
  • Adaptations
  • Farseer trilogy (this would cover the individual novel articles, the trilogy article + the international cover gallery)
  • LST trilogy (same as above)
  • Tawny Man (same)
  • Rain Wild Chronicles (same)
  • Fitz and the Fool trilogy (same)

Some of those already exist or the structure for them is there.

I'd also create the following

  • standalone novels (so just those that aren't part of a trilogy/series or aren't an anthology - this is a kind of "catch the rest of them in one place " category
  • short stories ()

How does that sound? --Mervi (talk) 14:49, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Continuing my monologue here because I need to test it out to see what it looks like.

I am sort of trying to change my thinking about the categories because they aren’t actually meant to be (by the makers of MediaWiki) “tree-like”, so thinking in terms of “upper” and “lower” or “subcategories” is actually ~limiting~. If we treat them more like tags, the system becomes much more flexible. So for example

  • Legends 2 would belong in publications + books + anthologies
  • Homecoming would belong in publications + short stories + robin hobb + realm of the elderlings
  • Assassin's Apprentice would belonging publications + books + robin hobb + realm of the elderlings + farseer trilogy
  • Mother of Fey in publications + short stories + standalone stories + megan lindholm
  • Liavek in publications + books + anthologies + liavek
  • Fitz and the Fool coloring book in publications + adaptations
  • Farseer trilogy in publications + books + Farseer trilogy

If it becomes too heavy/cluttered (I’m still wondering if everything needs to have “publications”) there are tricks for hiding categories. But I’d like it to be consistent so it’s sort of either/or and with this kind of new thinking "more tags" would be better than "as few categories as possible".

Also even if “books” is just an additional "tag", I wonder if it should be changed and/or split into novels as well. Originally it was used here to mark “this thing is a physical book, whether it’s a standalone, part of a trilogy and whether it’s 100% a work of RH or an anthology etc” If I add “publications” but keep “books” its meaning would basically change into “novel” (so any story would get either "novel" or "short story" instead of "book" whereas adaptations probably wouldn't get either? So then the previous would become

So possibly the trilogy articles would need a "trilogy" or "trilogies" category or similar to use in the place that other articles have novel/short story/magazine/anthology/etc. As to which categories belong in other categories, I'm thinking ROTE + Farseer etc are obviously "in" Robin Hobb but all the other (see above) would simply sit inside publications. I don't know if it makes it more confusing, but this way categories could be part of more than one other category, for example, "Liavek" could be "inside" Megan Lindholm AND anthologies. --Mervi (talk) 07:23, 10 February 2019 (EST)